C S S C    N E W S L E T T E R                                                                                                * Vol 1  No 4                                            April 23, 1993     TABLE OF CONTENTS  1.0  Comparative Budgeting Information  2.0  Digital Upgrade Costs  3.0  Responses needed for Site Inventory Survey  4.0  New CSSC Advisory Committee list  1.0  COMPARATIVE BUDGETING INFORMATION       The following is to help campuses compare direct software/       support program costs from vendors versus membership in the       Common SUNY Support Center (CSSC).       Digital's CSLG and ESL Program Costs as of February 1993       Reference Note 33.8, Digital's Announcement of Changes to U.S.       CSLG and ESL Programs, on the CSSC's machine in the VAX Notes       conference X-DECTEI-L.      CSLG Program                             ESL Program Under the new CSLG Program,           Under the ESL Program, providing providing licenses and rights to      software maintenance, the fee new software versions and product     schedule is portfolios, the fee schedule is      # of        Annual                     # of       Annual     systems*     pricing                   systems**   pricing    1 -   10     $ 5,000                    1 -  25     $13,920   11 -   25       7,500                   26 - 100      20,400   26 -   50      10,000                  101+           30,324   51 -  100      15,000  101 -  250      25,000  251 -  500      37,500  501 - 1000      45,000          * For CSLG, ten (10) PCs are counted 1000+            50,000            as one system                                 ** For ESL, one (1) PC is counted as                                    one system       FIXED COSTS       -  CDROM Media and Doc is $3,000.       -  There are four CSLG portfolios at $500 each.  Customers          must purchase a minimum of one portfolio per year but          can be updated quarterly for each of four operating systems          (VMS, Ultrix, OSF/1, Windows NT).  Therefore, portfolio costs          can be a minimum of $500 or a maximum of $8,000 (four (4)          portfolios x $500 x four (4) times/year).       I.  Using an example to figure your DEC costs...       If you have 3 VMS systems (say a 3100, 6410, and 6420), 1 Ultrix       (6310) and 100 PCs, your costs would be                   CSLG    $ 7,500  (3 VMS, 1 Ultrix, 100/10 PCs                                      per system = 14 systems)                    ESL     30,324  (3 VMS, 1 Ultrix, 100 PCs                                                = 104 systems)        CDROM Media/Doc      3,000  VMS        CDROM Media/Doc      3,000  Ultrix         CSLG Portfolio        500  VMS, minimum of one portfolio         CSLG Portfolio        500  Ultrix, minimum of one portfolio                           -------                           $44,824      ORACLE LICENSE COSTS AND MAINTENANCE (March 1992 price list)      Oracle maintenance is based on 15% of current list prices of      software products based on a specific CPU system.  Note that      prices are listed for all Oracle Software and for typical      products using Banner.  PRODUCT              VAX6410       VAX6420       VAX6510       VAX6520  RDBMS-V6            $103,000      $127,000      $114,000      $141,000  TPO                  $20,600       $50,800       $45,600       $56,400  CASE*DES              $8,000        $8,000        $8,000        $8,000  CASE*DICT             $5,000        $5,000        $5,000        $5,000  CASE*GEN              $5,000        $5,000        $5,000        $5,000  SQLPLUS              $25,750       $31,750       $28,500       $35,250  DATAQUERY            $25,750       $31,750       $28,500       $35,250  RMSCNCT              $25,750       $31,750       $28,500       $35,250  SQLFORMS             $30,900       $38,100       $34,200       $42,300  RPTWRITER            $30,900       $38,100       $34,200       $42,300  SQL*TXT              $30,900       $38,100       $34,200       $42,300  SQL*QMX              $20,600       $25,400       $22,800       $28,200  SQL*NET              $20,600       $25,400       $22,800       $28,200  SQL*GRAPH            $20,600       $25,400       $22,800       $28,200  SQL*CALC             $20,600       $25,400       $22,800       $28,200  PRO*ADA              $20,600       $25,400       $22,800       $28,200  EASY*SQL             $20,600       $25,400       $22,800       $28,200  TCP/IP               $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  SQL*MENU             $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  PRO*PASCAL           $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  PRO*PL/1             $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  PRO*FORTRAN          $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  PRO*COBOL            $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  PRO*C                $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  DECNET               $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  ASYNC                $15,450       $19,050       $17,100       $21,150  DATALENS             $10,300       $12,700       $11,400       $14,100  MAIL                 $16,000       $16,000       $16,000       $16,000  TOTALS              $600,500      $757,900      $683,800      $837,700  MAINTENANCE at 15%   $90,075      $113,685      $102,570      $125,655  *Typical Products   $278,100      $368,300      $330,600      $408,900  Using BANNER  and Maintenance      $41,715       $55,245       $49,590       $61,335  PRODUCT              VAX6610       VAX6620       VAX6630       VAX6640  RDBMS-V6*           $114,000      $141,000      $174,000      $193,000  TPO*                 $45,600       $56,400       $69,600       $77,200  CASE*DES              $8,000        $8,000        $8,000        $8,000  CASE*DICT             $5,000        $5,000        $5,000        $5,000  CASE*GEN              $5,000        $5,000        $5,000        $5,000  SQLPLUS*             $28,500       $35,250       $43,500       $48,250  DATAQUERY            $28,500       $35,250       $43,500       $48,250  RMSCNCT              $28,500       $35,250       $43,500       $48,250  SQLFORMS*            $34,200       $42,300       $52,200       $57,900  RPTWRITER*           $34,200       $42,300       $52,200       $57,900  SQL*TXT              $34,200       $42,300       $52,200       $57,900  SQL*QMX              $22,800       $28,200       $34,800       $38,600  SQL*NET*             $22,800       $28,200       $34,800       $38,600  SQL*GRAPH            $22,800       $28,200       $34,800       $38,600  SQL*CALC             $22,800       $28,200       $34,800       $38,600  PRO*ADA              $22,800       $28,200       $34,800       $38,600  EASY*SQL             $22,800       $28,200       $34,800       $38,600  TCP/IP               $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  SQL*MENU*            $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  PRO*PASCAL           $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  PRO*PL/1             $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  PRO*FORTRAN          $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  PRO*COBOL*           $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  PRO*C                $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  DECNET*              $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  ASYNC                $17,100       $21,150       $26,100       $28,950  DATALENS             $11,400       $14,100       $17,400       $19,300  MAIL                 $16,000       $16,000       $16,000       $16,000  TOTALS              $683,800      $837,700    $1,025,800    $1,134,100  MAINTENACE at 15%   $102,570      $125,655      $153,870      $170,115  *Typical Products   $330,600      $408,900      $504,600      $559,700  Using BANNER  and Maintenance      $49,590       $61,335       $75,690       $83,955  PRODUCT            AXP4000**         HP-UX  RDBMS-V6*           $153,600       $38,400  TPO*                 $30,720        $7,680  CASE*DES              $8,000        $8,000  CASE*DICT             $5,000        $5,000  CASE*GEN              $5,000        $5,000  SQLPLUS*             $38,400        $9,600  DATAQUERY            $38,400        $9,600  RMSCNCT              $28,500         Not Applicable  SQLFORMS*            $69,120       $11,520  RPTWRITER*           $46,080       $11,520  SQL*TXT              $46,080       $11,520  SQL*QMX              $30,720        $7,680  SQL*NET*             $30,720        $7,680  SQL*GRAPH            $46,080       $11,520  SQL*CALC             $30,720        $7,680  PRO*ADA              $23,040        $7,680  EASY*SQL             $30,720        $7,680  TCP/IP               $23,040        $5,760  SQL*MENU*            $69,120        $5,760  PRO*PASCAL           $23,040        $5,760  PRO*PL/1             $23,040        $5,760  PRO*FORTRAN          $23,040        $5,760  PRO*COBOL*           $23,040        $5,760  PRO*C                $23,040        $5,760  DECNET*              $23,040        $5,760  ASYNC                $23,040        $5,760  DATALENS             $23,040        $3,840  MAIL                 $16,000       $16,000  TOTALS              $953,380      $239,440  MAINTENACE at 15%   $143,007       $35,916  *Typical Products   $483,840      $103,680  Using BANNER  and Maintenance      $72,576       $15,552  nb. CASE Licenses are on a per ubasis.  Single Us Licenses are quoted.  Licenses effective March, 1992, except AXP 4000  ** AXP pricing based upon 128 concurrent users.  nb.  As per SUNY contract, V6 may  upgrade to ORACLE7 when determined by SUNY      II.  Using our example, Oracle costs would be...           Oracle on 6420       $ 55,745  maintenance      THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE COSTS      Along with Digital Equipment software and Oracle software costs,      you would probably also be procuring third party software for      such products as                GoldMail                    Hitman                Jnet                        PMDF                PVI (Precision Visual)      RMS Edit                Remote Tape Facility        TCPWare                WordPerfect                 QVT      III.  For our example, third party software costs would be...            estimated at $5,000      IV.   Total costs for direct vendor software/support using our            example configuration...                   CSLG    $ 7,500                    ESL     30,324        CDROM Media/Doc      3,000  VMS        CDROM Media/Doc      3,000  Ultrix         CSLG Portfolio        500  VMS, minimum of one portfolio         CSLG Portfolio        500  Ultrix, minimum of one portfolio         Oracle on 6420     55,745  maintenance (using Banner)   Third party software      5,000                          --------                          $105,569  per year                  Common SUNY Support Center (CSSC)      Now compare to costs enjoyed by Common SUNY Support Center      members.      FULL MEMBERSHIP      For $30,000 (for year 93-94), a full membership in the Common      SUNY Support Center will get...         -   All DEC software licenses under the CSLG and ESL programs             available on ConDist         -   Unlimited number of systems (VAXs, AXP, RISC, PCs)         -   The following third party software                               license      support   doc    media      Oracle for mainframes   SUNY Central(1)  X     vendor    X      Oracle Server           SUNY Central     X     vendor    X      Oracle for PC           SUNY Central   vendor  vendor    X      PMDF                         X           X       X       X      Goldmail                     X (3)       X       X       X      Hitman                       X           X     vendor    X      Jnet (2)                     X           X     vendor  vendor      PVI (Precision Visual)       X           X       X       X      RMS Edit                     X (3)       X     vendor    X      Remote Tape Facility         X (3)       X     vendor    X      TCPware                      X (3)       X     vendor    X      WordPerfect                vendor      vendor  vendor    X      QVT                          X           X     vendor    X   X = provided through CSSC  (1) Contact SUNY Central for one-time license fee.  (2) for most campuses.  (3) Contact CSSC for license fee         -   Disaster Site Recovery facilities - Hot Backup for DEC VMS.         -   User manager accounts to create user accounts on             CSSC machine.         -   DSN manager accounts to access DSNLink Interactive Text             Search to do inquiry only searches for Digital documents             containing support information.         -   DECUS manager accounts to access DECUS CDROMs.      LIMITED MEMBERSHIP      Limited membership prices are 55% of the full membership price      (currently 55% of $30,000 or $16,500).  Presently, there are two      limited memberships:  Oracle only                            DEC including third party software.  2.0  Digital Upgrade Costs       Digital CPU Upgrade costs will be presented in the next issue       of the CSSC newsletter to come out next week.       Is there interest in going after a major update with DEC to       be installed during the fall semester?  We are going to try for       a multi-campus upgrade which we hope would result in better       pricing.  Stay tuned for more information in next CSSC       newsletter.  3.0  Responses needed for Site Inventory Survey       Please refer to CSSC Newsletter Vol 1 No 3,       1.0  Site inventory surveys...it's better/faster/easier than ever.       Response has been slow.  We've only received *four* Site       Inventory Survey's back from CSSC campuses.  The deadline still       remains May 1st so everyone please respond.  4.0  Advisory Committee list              Common SUNY Support Center Advisory Committee      Albany - University     Isabel Nirenberg   sysiln@albany      Alfred                  Bob Granger        GrangeRB@snyalfva      Brooklyn HSC            Robert Losonsky    losonsky@snybkadm      Buffalo - College       Dave Cummings      Cummindl@snybscva      Buffalo - University    Frank Rens         Rens@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu      Canton                  Bob Hayden         HaydenRR@snycanva      Central                 Bob Lunden         SRGL@snycenvm      Cobleskill              Dan Sidebottom     SideboDR@snycobva      Corning CC              Bill Manuel        scccvc::Manuel      Cortland                Marty Coolidge     Martin@snycorva      Delhi                   Dick Nabinger      NabingRW@snydelva      Empire State College    Curt King          CKing@snyescva     *Farmingdale             Bob Wilbert        WilberRJ@snyfarva      Fashion Institute       Marty Erdsneker    SFITVA::ERDSNEMS      Geneseo                 Bill Davis         Davis@geneseo      Library Support         Carey Hatch        Hatchcb@snycenva     *Morrisville             Bob Hemmings       HemminRE@snymorva      Old Westbury            Ron Johnston       Johnston@snyoldva      Oneonta                 Eric Wilson        WilsonEH@snyoneva     *Oswego                  Paul Voninski      Voninski@oswego.oswego.edu      Plattsburgh             Tom Mercadante     MercadTF@snyplava      Potsdam                 Bruce Buchanan     BuchanBE@snypotva      Rockland CC             Karen DeMauro      srccva::kdemauro      Stonybrook - University Charles Bowman     CBowman@sbccmail     *Syracuse HSC            Ruedi Lienhard     Lienhard@snysyrv1      Limited Oracle membership only:  Genesee CC                                       Mohawk Valley CC     *CSSC Executive Board Members (currently one vacant position)                                                      Betty Spencer                                                      Editor

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